Should Christians support the separation of church and state? An interview with Mark David Hall, author of “Did America Have a Christian Founding?”

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In early 2020, Denison Forum interviewed Mark David Hall, author of Did America Have a Christian Founding?: Separating Modern Myth from Historical Truth. 

As Matthew J. Franck wrote, Hall’s book is “a fresh look at the very real extent to which Christian thought and belief played a vital role in the making of our country.”

Hall is the Herbert Hoover Distinguished Professor of Politics and Faculty Fellow in the William Penn Honors Program at George Fox University. He is also associated faculty at the Center for the Study of Law and Religion at Emory University and senior fellow at Baylor University’s Institute for Studies of Religion.

The following questions and answers are excerpted from our longer interview with Hall (which you can listen to below). They have been edited and condensed for clarity.

Should Christians support the separation of church and state?

In 1947, the US Supreme Court issued a decision where they said the first amendment to the US Constitution—the establishment clause, specifically—creates a wall of separation between church and state. And this wall has been used to attack religious liberty provisions, aid to private religious schools, and all sorts of things. 

What I argue in the book is that, in one respect, all Christians support a separation of church and state. The church and the state are separate institutions. We don’t want the state running the church, and we don’t want the church as an institution running the state. 

However, with that said, there’s absolutely no reason, from a constitutional perspective, to think that people of faith cannot speak into the political system, work through their legislatures, or try to bring about good public policy—whether we’re talking about the abolitionist movement, or the civil rights movement, or the pro-life movement. These…

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Friends rebuild cancer patient’s Ford Bronco: New research shows how to respond to ‘lifequakes’ today

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Eric Staggs of Forney, Texas, is fighting Stage IV colon cancer. He has a vintage Ford Bronco he has wanted to restore but lacked the energy or time. Before he and his family left last month on a medical trip, he asked a friend if he could install the new tires and wheels Eric had bought for it.

His friend and some neighbors and other friends decided they would become “Team Bronco.” Over six frenetic days, they stripped the paint, re-tuned the engine, added new shocks to go with the new tires and rims, and repainted the Bronco cobalt blue. Then they put the Staggs family’s favorite Bible passage—Psalm 91—on the spare tire cover. 

Eric came home and was so shocked he began to cry. “I’m just so in awe of the kindness and generosity of God’s people,” he said. “Guys that I’ve never met before felt like it was a nice thing to do. And the world needs more people that want to do nice things.” 

The three stages of disruption 

Yesterday, we focused on God’s invitation to partner with him in redeeming the pandemic and our other crises. Today, I’d like to think about an intriguing way to reframe such service in these difficult days.

Bruce Feiler’s new book, Life Is in the Transitions: Mastering Change at Any Age, is being published today. A fascinating essay adapted from it appears in the Wall Street Journal. Here we learn from Feiler’s research that the average person will experience around three dozen “disruptors” in our adult lives, one every twelve to eighteen months. However, three to five of these will be destabilizing for us. 

Feiler calls these “lifequakes” and notes: “What’s unique about this particular moment in history is that for the first time in seventy-five years, the entire country is going through a life transition together.” 

His research shows that we experience these destabilizing disruptors in three emotional phases: “the…

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Without Church or Internet, Many South Africans Turn to Liturgies at Home

Without Church or Internet, Many South Africans Turn to Liturgies at Home


(RNS) — Before the coronavirus pandemic reached South Africa in early spring, 15-year-old Sandile Manyike and his family faithfully attended Mass at St. Martin de Porres, a vibrant 800-member Roman Catholic church in Orlando West, the township where Nelson Mandela lived before he was imprisoned.

But when his school and the church were closed to avoid the spread of COVID-19 three weeks before Easter, Manyike came up with an unusual solution: He decided to play the part of the priest himself.

Having rehearsed his parts in the Holy Week liturgies and in the choir, Manyike was disappointed to be deprived of the vibrant worship typical of South Africa’s township, with their joyful ululations, vigorous clapping, energetic beating of drums, melodic tapping of marimbas. With internet data prohibitively expensive for most of its parishioners, St. Martin’s is not able to livestream any of its services.

Manyike was determined, however, that he and his family wouldn’t be starved of the celebration of Mass.

“I want you to feel like you’re at church,” he told his skeptical grandmother to convince her to celebrate Easter under his direction.

Finally, he prayed to God. “I found myself asking God for forgiveness and asking God to let me do this sacrifice,” he said. “I know that I am not anointed in my hands yet, but please let me do it,” he begged God. “Something in my heart…

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Fourth Christian in Less than Two Months Killed in India

Fourth Christian in Less than Two Months Killed in India


NEW DELHI, July 13, 2020 (Morning Star News) – Maoists in Maharashtra state killed a church pastor on Friday (July 10), the fourth death of a Christian for their faith in India since late May, sources said.

In Bhatpar village, Gadchiroli District in the western peninsular state, pastor Munshi Devu Tado was leading a worship service on his property for about 15 village families from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. when three armed men and three women escorted him away, said his wife, Jaini Munshi Tado.

“They shook hands with him at first, then took him by his hand and, after few steps, they tied his hands at his back with a rope,” she told Morning Star News. “I, my father-in-law and brother-in-law followed after them, pleading and enquiring as to why they are taking him. They said they just want to talk to him and that we need not worry, they will send him back in a little while.”

Family members continued to follow until the Maoists forcibly stopped them and pushed them away, throwing them to the ground, Jaini Munshi Tado said.

“Hardly five to seven minutes later, we heard a gunshot,” she said, weeping. “We immediately ran in the direction only to find the body of my husband in the pool of his blood, and the Maoists had gone. I wept bitterly, my husband was gone.”

Pastor Tado was estimated to be in his mid-thirties. He leaves behind four children, ages 6, 5, 4 and 1.

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International Evangelist Dr. Morris Cerrullo Dies at 88

International Evangelist Dr. Morris Cerrullo Dies at 88


On July 10, Dr. Morris Cerullo, a well-known evangelist and Christian author, died from pneumonia complications at the age of 88.

Just one day before his passing, a prayer request for the international evangelist was posted to Cerrullo’s official Facebook page, CBN News reports.

The post noted that the evangelist was undergoing treatment for pneumonia at a hospital in San Diego, California. He would later pass away on Friday evening.

 A tribute to the evangelist was posted on his ministry’s website page, Morris Cerullo World Evangelism.

“Dr. Cerullo, affectionately known as “Papa” to millions across the globe who were touched by his decades of personal ministry, is known for his outreaches to people in more than 400 cities, 150 nations, and on 6 continents, in over 72 years of ministry.”

Cerullo was born on October 2, 1931 in Passaic New Jersey. Orphaned at 2 years old, the late evangelist was raised alongside his four siblings at a Jewish orphanage in Clifton, New Jersey.

Cerrullo lived at the orphanage until he was kicked out at 15 because of his conversion to Christianity.

Upon his newfound faith, Cerullo began preaching throughout local churches. Inspiration TV noted that Cerrullo pastored a 15-member congregation at age 21 while also serving as its janitor, maintenance man and landscaper.

God would later call Cerullo into international ministry leading him to found the Morris Cerullo…

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‘Please Read the Bible,’ Tony Dungy Says after Don Lemon Alleges Jesus Wasn’t Perfect

‘Please Read the Bible,’ Tony Dungy Says after Don Lemon Alleges Jesus Wasn’t Perfect


Football commentator and well-known Christian Tony Dungy defended the sinlessness of Christ in a series of tweets last week after CNN’s Don Lemon said Jesus was not perfect. 

Lemon made the comment while discussing statues and monuments of the Founding Fathers.

“Jesus Christ, admittedly, was not perfect when He was here on this earth, so why are we deifying the Founders of this country?” Lemon said in a comment that sparked both debate and confusion.

Dungy, though gracious, pushed back on Lemon’s remark in a tweet. 

“I’m sorry Mr. Lemon but just who ‘admitted’ that Jesus Christ was not perfect here on earth? Not anyone who believes the Bible,” Dungy wrote. “Not anyone who trusts in Jesus as their savior. I’m not sure the point you’re making but your premise is dead wrong. That was the point in Jesus coming!”

Dungy then defended the doctrine of Christ’s sinlessness in follow-up tweets with those on Twitter.  

When one person alleged that “a lot of stuff didn’t make it into the Bible due to…

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Woman driving a Ford Focus ticketed for going 437 mph: Choosing between justice and grace

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I drove yesterday on the highways of the Dallas-Ft. Worth Metroplex, which can be a death-defying experience. This was no exception: at one point, a black pickup truck pulled up inches from my back bumper and stayed there until I changed lanes to get out of his way, then sped on to bully the next person in the lane. If I had needed to brake for any reason, I might not be writing these words today.

In that moment, I wished a police officer had seen this driver and pulled him over. Any ticket the man received would be more than just.

But not all such tickets are justified. An Italian woman driving a Ford Focus down a coastal highway received a ticket for nearly $1000. That’s because a speed camera clocked her traveling at almost 437 mph.

However, the top speed of such a car in Europe is 155 mph. The Devel Sixteen, a 5,007 horsepower supercar that’s among the fastest in the world, cannot get with 100 mph of the speed she was clocked at driving.

It turns out, the speed camera was malfunctioning, of course. As were the local police who failed to double-check its findings before issuing the woman such an exorbitant ticket. A transportation spokesman advised the driver to appeal to local authorities for compensation.

Choosing between justice and grace

In these days of pandemic crisis, when so much unjust and innocent suffering surrounds us, it can be easy to question the justice and righteousness of God. If we would not allow such pain, why does he?

But his word assures us that his character has not changed despite our circumstances. Consider this remarkable juxtaposition of God’s mercy and justice: “The Lord waits to be gracious to you, and therefore he exalts himself to show mercy to you. For the Lord is a God of justice; blessed are all those who wait for him” (Isaiah 30:18).

Our Father wants to be gracious and merciful to us. Such mercy does not contradict the fact that he is a “God of justice.” Rather,…

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Barna: One-Third of Practicing Christians Have Not Been Attending Online Church during the Pandemic

Barna: One-Third of Practicing Christians Have Not Been Attending Online Church during the Pandemic


A survey from Barna shows that one-third of practicing Christians have not been tuning into their church’s online worship service or another church’s streaming service during the coronavirus pandemic.

According to The Christian Post, the survey identified churchgoers as Christians who streamed their home church online, Christians who streamed another church’s service and Christians who have stopped “attending” church.

Half of practicing Christians millennials said they had not “attended” church in the past four weeks. In comparison, 35 percent of Gen X Christians and 26 percent of Baby Boomer Christians also said they were not streaming online worship services.

“Though younger generations might be more accustomed to digital routines and innovations, their tenuous relationship with institutions seems to persist during this era of digital church,” the Barna report said.

“These trends highlight the importance of churches continuing to reach out to and disciple the next generation, especially those who are seemingly falling away during the pandemic.”

The survey also looked at the impact the worship services seem to be making on Christians during the uncertainty of the pandemic.

“Respondents who have stopped attending church during COVID-19 are less likely than their peers who are still attending the same church during the pandemic to agree with the…

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ACLU: Biden Should Require Taxpayer Funding of Abortion in First 100 Days as President

ACLU: Biden Should Require Taxpayer Funding of Abortion in First 100 Days as President


The American Civil Liberties Union is pressuring presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden to stick with his pledge to require taxpayer funding of abortion – and to act in the first 100 days if elected president.

The ACLU ran newspaper ads in the Washington Post and the Philadelphia Inquirer Sunday urging Biden to follow through with his promise to end the Hyde Amendment, according to the Huffington Post. The ads ask, “Vice President Biden, will you lead on reproductive rights?”

Biden formerly opposed the Hyde Amendment but changed his position last year under intense pressure from other Democrats during the campaign. The amendment is a congressional provision dating back to 1977 that prevents federal funds from being used to fund most abortions. The 2016 Democratic Platform opposed the amendment, but Biden voted for it during his time in the Senate.

“I can’t justify leaving millions of women without access to the care they need and the ability to … exercise their constitutionally protected right,” Biden said in 2019 in changing positions.

The ACLU also wrote the Biden campaign a letter this month, according to the Huffington Post. It called on him to end the Hyde Amendment and also the Weldon Amendment, which protects the conscience rights of hospitals and health care workers from forced involvement in abortion. It was first passed in 2004.

“After decades of…

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Evangelical, Catholic Leaders Say Trump Has Left Persecuted Christians in Danger

Evangelical, Catholic Leaders Say Trump Has Left Persecuted Christians in Danger


(RNS) — For years, Donald Trump and administration officials have championed protecting religious freedom abroad — including for Christians persecuted for their faith — as a key foreign policy goal.

But according to a new report released Friday (July 10) from two Christian groups, the president is falling short of that goal when it comes to Christian refugees.

“The number of persecuted Christians to whom protection is available through the U.S. refugee resettlement program and the application of asylum laws has still been dramatically curtailed,” the report reads.

Entitled “Closed Doors: Persecuted Christians and the U.S. Refugee Resettlement and Asylum Processes,” the report was prepared by World Relief and Open Doors USA — both organizations that work on issues of immigration and religious persecution.

Their findings focus on the Trump administration’s drastic cuts to the refugee resettlement program, which has long been run in partnership with several religious organizations — including World Relief, an evangelical Christian group. According to the report, there has been a 90% reduction since 2015 in the number of persecuted Christians resettled in the United States.

During former President Barack Obama’s last year in office, the annual limit on refugee resettlement was set at 110,000 people. That number was slashed to 45,000 shortly after Trump took up…

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